Amydrium zippelianum - two forms ?

From: The Silent Seed <tylus.seklos at gmail.com> on 2019.08.12 at 21:37:06(24211) I know Amydrium zipp to have long, slender leaves, and was very surprised to receive a plant from Tropiflora that had fat / wide / broad leaves. The stem is clearly from older growth, but the leaves are so different. Any insights? Two forms? Something else? Included is a picture of the plant from Tropiflora. (Now that I recall, maybe 5 or 6 years ago, I had bought one from Tropiflora, which had the usual skinny leaves.) Best, Jude -- The Silent Seed HTML +More Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com --00000000000078fab3058ff2554b-- --00000000000078fab8058ff2554d

From: "Taylor H." <taylorholzer at yahoo.com> on 2019.08.13 at 00:05:12(24212) Labeled wrong That’s an Anthurium On Aug 12, 2019, at 5:37 PM, The Silent Seed wrote: HTML +More I know Amydrium zipp to have long, slender leaves, and was very surprised to receive a plant from Tropiflora that had fat / wide / broad leaves. The stem is clearly from older growth, but the leaves are so different. Any insights? Two forms? Something else? Included is a picture of the plant from Tropiflora. (Now that I recall, maybe 5 or 6 years ago, I had bought one from Tropiflora, which had the usual skinny leaves.) Best, Jude -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l --Apple-Mail-A6C66E62-23D7-4009-8C31-9D1079B0148C-- --==============P75741170090459737==

From: Peter Boyce <phymatarum at gmail.com> on 2019.08.13 at 02:45:59(24213) Jude, There are a few different morphological expressions of Amydrium zippelianum other than the long slender one with which most people are familiar. Peter HTML +More Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: The Silent Seed Sent: Tuesday, 13 August, 2019 6:16 AM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: [Aroid-l] Amydrium zippelianum - two forms ? I know Amydrium zipp to have long, slender leaves, and was very surprised to receive a plant from Tropiflora that had fat / wide / broad leaves. The stem is clearly from older growth, but the leaves are so different. Any insights? Two forms? Something else? Included is a picture of the plant from Tropiflora. (Now that I recall, maybe 5 or 6 years ago, I had bought one from Tropiflora, which had the usual skinny leaves.) Best, Jude -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com --_3ABFC0E0-6FC8-494F-B51F-F0C6A5CC5BCD_-- --=============="58121443133950546==

From: The Silent Seed <tylus.seklos at gmail.com> on 2019.08.13 at 03:03:04(24214) Interesting - never knew this - I'm really digging the two different forms. Thank you, Peter. I appreciate it. On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 10:53 PM Peter Boyce wrote: HTML +More Jude, There are a few different morphological expressions of Amydrium zippelianum other than the long slender one with which most people are familiar. Peter Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: The Silent Seed Sent: Tuesday, 13 August, 2019 6:16 AM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: [Aroid-l] Amydrium zippelianum - two forms ? I know Amydrium zipp to have long, slender leaves, and was very surprised to receive a plant from Tropiflora that had fat / wide / broad leaves. The stem is clearly from older growth, but the leaves are so different. Any insights? Two forms? Something else? Included is a picture of the plant from Tropiflora. (Now that I recall, maybe 5 or 6 years ago, I had bought one from Tropiflora, which had the usual skinny leaves.) Best, Jude -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com --0000000000004b13cf058ff6e3ad-- --==============538618762225442356==

From: Peter Boyce <phymatarum at gmail.com> on 2019.08.13 at 03:11:23(24215) Jude There are several synonyms for this species (see below) which gives some indication that in the wild variation is sufficient to have at least in the past persuaded botanists to publish novelties. Amydrium magnificum (Engl.) Nicolson Epipremnum asperatum Engl. HTML +More Epipremnum elmerianum Engl. Epipremnum luzonense K.Krause Epipremnum mampuanum Alderw. Epipremnum miniatum Elmer Epipremnum philippinense Engl. & K.Krause Epipremnum sorsogonense Elmer ex Merr. Rhaphidophora warburgii Engl. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: The Silent Seed Sent: Tuesday, 13 August, 2019 11:04 AM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Amydrium zippelianum - two forms ? Interesting - never knew this - I'm really digging the two different forms. Thank you, Peter. I appreciate it. On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 10:53 PM Peter Boyce wrote: Jude, There are a few different morphological expressions of Amydrium zippelianum other than the long slender one with which most people are familiar. Peter Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: The Silent Seed Sent: Tuesday, 13 August, 2019 6:16 AM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: [Aroid-l] Amydrium zippelianum - two forms ? I know Amydrium zipp to have long, slender leaves, and was very surprised to receive a plant from Tropiflora that had fat / wide / broad leaves. The stem is clearly from older growth, but the leaves are so different. Any insights? Two forms? Something else? Included is a picture of the plant from Tropiflora. (Now that I recall, maybe 5 or 6 years ago, I had bought one from Tropiflora, which had the usual skinny leaves.) Best, Jude -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com --_595CDA0B-9780-4D08-A503-E04DC3299C5B_-- --==============†91257804020241634==

From: The Silent Seed <tylus.seklos at gmail.com> on 2019.08.13 at 03:16:20(24216) Peter, That's quite a laundry list for a plant! Thank you for sharing. And Taylor has just offered that this isn't even an Amydrium after all. Life sure would be much more boring without aroids on so many different levels huh? Thanks, Jude HTML +More On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 11:14 PM Peter Boyce wrote: Jude There are several synonyms for this species (see below) which gives some indication that in the wild variation is sufficient to have at least in the past persuaded botanists to publish novelties. Amydrium magnificum (Engl.) Nicolson Epipremnum asperatum Engl. Epipremnum elmerianum Engl. Epipremnum luzonense K.Krause Epipremnum mampuanum Alderw. Epipremnum miniatum Elmer Epipremnum philippinense Engl. & K.Krause Epipremnum sorsogonense Elmer ex Merr. Rhaphidophora warburgii Engl. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: The Silent Seed Sent: Tuesday, 13 August, 2019 11:04 AM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Amydrium zippelianum - two forms ? Interesting - never knew this - I'm really digging the two different forms. Thank you, Peter. I appreciate it. On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 10:53 PM Peter Boyce wrote: Jude, There are a few different morphological expressions of Amydrium zippelianum other than the long slender one with which most people are familiar. Peter Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: The Silent Seed Sent: Tuesday, 13 August, 2019 6:16 AM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: [Aroid-l] Amydrium zippelianum - two forms ? I know Amydrium zipp to have long, slender leaves, and was very surprised to receive a plant from Tropiflora that had fat / wide / broad leaves. The stem is clearly from older growth, but the leaves are so different. Any insights? Two forms? Something else? Included is a picture of the plant from Tropiflora. (Now that I recall, maybe 5 or 6 years ago, I had bought one from Tropiflora, which had the usual skinny leaves.) Best, Jude -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com --000000000000a9d467058ff71257-- --==============„78341524392564365==

From: The Silent Seed <tylus.seklos at gmail.com> on 2019.08.13 at 03:14:54(24217) You're kidding me? May I ask how you picked that up, so I can figure out how to approach Tropiflora about this? And, any idea on ID? Many thanks, Jude HTML +More On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 8:18 PM Taylor H. wrote: Labeled wrong That’s an Anthurium On Aug 12, 2019, at 5:37 PM, The Silent Seed wrote: I know Amydrium zipp to have long, slender leaves, and was very surprised to receive a plant from Tropiflora that had fat / wide / broad leaves. The stem is clearly from older growth, but the leaves are so different. Any insights? Two forms? Something else? Included is a picture of the plant from Tropiflora. (Now that I recall, maybe 5 or 6 years ago, I had bought one from Tropiflora, which had the usual skinny leaves.) Best, Jude -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com --00000000000089dfcd058ff70d0f-- --==============B84848307269767125==

From: "Taylor H." <taylorholzer at yahoo.com> on 2019.08.13 at 15:26:07(24218) It’s likely Anthurium pentaphyllum. The leaf structure doesn’t match Amydrium at all. The smooth stem matches up to Anthurium pentaphyllum too. HTML +More On Aug 12, 2019, at 11:14 PM, The Silent Seed wrote: You're kidding me? May I ask how you picked that up, so I can figure out how to approach Tropiflora about this? And, any idea on ID? Many thanks, Jude On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 8:18 PM Taylor H. wrote: Labeled wrong That’s an Anthurium On Aug 12, 2019, at 5:37 PM, The Silent Seed wrote: I know Amydrium zipp to have long, slender leaves, and was very surprised to receive a plant from Tropiflora that had fat / wide / broad leaves. The stem is clearly from older growth, but the leaves are so different. Any insights? Two forms? Something else? Included is a picture of the plant from Tropiflora. (Now that I recall, maybe 5 or 6 years ago, I had bought one from Tropiflora, which had the usual skinny leaves.) Best, Jude -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l --Apple-Mail-A2848262-0EC2-4CE6-B4A6-52988F078EE6-- --==============!81036416803272717==

From: The Silent Seed <tylus.seklos at gmail.com> on 2019.08.13 at 16:49:38(24219) Thank you, Taylor. Much appreciated! On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 11:29 AM Taylor H. wrote: It’s likely Anthurium pentaphyllum. The leaf structure doesn’t match Amydrium at all. The smooth stem matches up to Anthurium pentaphyllum too. HTML +More On Aug 12, 2019, at 11:14 PM, The Silent Seed wrote: You're kidding me? May I ask how you picked that up, so I can figure out how to approach Tropiflora about this? And, any idea on ID? Many thanks, Jude On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 8:18 PM Taylor H. wrote: Labeled wrong That’s an Anthurium On Aug 12, 2019, at 5:37 PM, The Silent Seed wrote: I know Amydrium zipp to have long, slender leaves, and was very surprised to receive a plant from Tropiflora that had fat / wide / broad leaves. The stem is clearly from older growth, but the leaves are so different. Any insights? Two forms? Something else? Included is a picture of the plant from Tropiflora. (Now that I recall, maybe 5 or 6 years ago, I had bought one from Tropiflora, which had the usual skinny leaves.) Best, Jude -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com --0000000000005b89a90590026f7a-- --==============R06859797482537631==

From: Russ <bluesea14808 at yahoo.com> on 2019.08.13 at 18:47:10(24220) Jude, like Taylor, my first impression when I saw your pic was anthurium, one of the vining types. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 11:25 PM, The Silent Seed HTML +More wrote: You're kidding me? May I ask how you picked that up, so I can figure out how to approach Tropiflora about this? And, any idea on ID? Many thanks, Jude On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 8:18 PM Taylor H. wrote: Labeled wrong That’s an Anthurium On Aug 12, 2019, at 5:37 PM, The Silent Seed wrote: I know Amydrium zipp to have long, slender leaves, and was very surprised to receive a plant from Tropiflora that had fat / wide / broad leaves. The stem is clearly from older growth, but the leaves are so different. Any insights? Two forms? Something else? Included is a picture of the plant from Tropiflora. (Now that I recall, maybe 5 or 6 years ago, I had bought one from Tropiflora, which had the usual skinny leaves.) Best, Jude -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l ------=_Part_3522834_708199488.1565722030008-- ------=_Part_3522835_367665793.1565722030039

From: The Silent Seed <tylus.seklos at gmail.com> on 2019.08.13 at 19:47:14(24221) Thank you very much for your insights. I have contacted Tropiflora to see what options are available. I do not want an Anthurium. I hope everybody has been having a good summer thus far. Jude HTML +More On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 3:00 PM Russ wrote: Jude, like Taylor, my first impression when I saw your pic was anthurium, one of the vining types. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 11:25 PM, The Silent Seed wrote: You're kidding me? May I ask how you picked that up, so I can figure out how to approach Tropiflora about this? And, any idea on ID? Many thanks, Jude On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 8:18 PM Taylor H. wrote: Labeled wrong That’s an Anthurium On Aug 12, 2019, at 5:37 PM, The Silent Seed wrote: I know Amydrium zipp to have long, slender leaves, and was very surprised to receive a plant from Tropiflora that had fat / wide / broad leaves. The stem is clearly from older growth, but the leaves are so different. Any insights? Two forms? Something else? Included is a picture of the plant from Tropiflora. (Now that I recall, maybe 5 or 6 years ago, I had bought one from Tropiflora, which had the usual skinny leaves.) Best, Jude -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com --0000000000006bbe04059004ea84-- --==============181243201768297083==

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